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There have been a couple interesting threads on rec.gambling.poker about what the theoretical worst bad beat in poker is.
For those of you new to poker, a "bad beat" is when a hand that is very poor and has little chance of winning gets its miracle card(s) to win the pot from a better hand. An example from holdem would be where a player is holding A♠A♣ is up against a player with 2♠3♣. The aces are a huge favorite. Then, say the flop comes A♦7♣2♦. Now the aces are even more of a favorite. But by some miracle the turn and the river bring 2♣2♥, giving the underdog four of a kind, thus beating the aces. That would be a very bad beat.
I quantify a bad beat as a situation in which a player with very low Expected Value gets his cards to win (or occasionally tie) the pot. I'm going to measure the E.V., or average E.V. for multi-round situations, to try to come up with the worst bad beats possible for every game of poker. This list will be incomplete, with games coming as I get to them.
To get the numbers shown below, I have mostly used the pokenum program, which you can use online at this link.
Why does this matter? Well, it doesn't really. It's mostly an academic exercise. The next time someone says "I got hit with the worst bad beat EVER!" - something commonly heard in cardrooms everywhere - I'd like to be able to say "really?? You had a made king-high straight flush in five card draw and got outdrawn by a guy who redrew five cards to the only remaining live royal flush in the deck??"
Regarding the use of dead cards, some people on the R.G.P thread didn't use dead cards in coming up with bad beats, I guess because they thought of them as "cheating". I use dead cards here, as long as they could feasibly be known to be dead by the players during the course of a normal (non-misdealt or misplayed) game. So for hidden games like 5-card draw, hold'em and omaha, I don't use dead cards; for stud games and the like, I use them provided the quantity doesn't exceed what players could see in a normal, full-table game.
Also, I'm not including "chop only" beats where the only outs the underdog has are to a split pot. If you split the pot with the underdog, it wasn't a bad beat :)
If we combine this situation with the worst pre-flop heads-up situation, we get the worst possible bad beat possible in hold'em.
| Hand | Pre-flop EV (Wins) | Flop | Flop EV (Wins) | Turn | Turn EV (Wins) |
| K♠K♣ | 0.949 (1,612,287/1,686,112) | K♦7♣2♥ | 0.999 (989/990) | 2♦ | 0.977 (43/44) |
| K♥2♣ | 0.051 (73,825/1,686,112) | 0.001 (1/990) | 0.023 (1/44) |
If we combine this situation with the worst pre-flop heads-up situation where the underdog still has outs to win, we get the worst possible bad beat possible in omaha. I'm not yet 100% sure this is the worst possible beat in omaha, but it's the best I've come up with so far.
| Hand | Pre-flop EV (Wins) | Flop | Flop EV (Wins) | Turn | Turn EV (Wins) |
| A♠A♥K♠3♥ | 0.938 (1,017,155/1,086,008) | A♦A♣5♠ | 0.999 (819/820) | 6♠ | 0.975 (39/40) |
| 3♦3♠3♣2♠ | 0.062 (66,463/1,086,008) | 0.001 (1/820) | 0.025 (1/40) |
| Hand | Dead Cards | EV (Wins) |
| Q♣Q♦J♣T♣9♣4♦ | A♠A♥7♦7♥6♦6♥5♦5♥3♥3♠2♥2♠ | 0.999 (755/756) |
| A♦8♠7♠6♠3♦2♦ | 0.001 (1/756) |
| Hand | Dead Cards | EV (Wins) |
| K♦K♠8♣7♣6♣5♦ | A♠A♥7♦7♥6♦6♥5♦5♥3♥3♠2♥2♠ | 0.999 (755/756) |
| A♦8♠7♠6♠3♦2♦ | 0.001 (1/756) |
| Hand | Dead Cards | EV (Wins) |
| K♦K♥4♥3♠ | 2♣2♦ | 0.9994 (1721/1722) |
| K♣5♦4♠2♥ | 0.0006 (1/1722) |
| A♠K♠Q♠J♠? K♥K♦ | vs | A♣K♣Q♣J♣T♣ A♥A♦ |
Now that's a bad beat and a half. Assuming that you are playing the common version of Pai Gow where the dealer shows one card, and you see the dealer has one of the required cards to beat you, the odds of the other 6 cards being exactly what the dealer needs are 1 in 7,059,052.
If you are playing a version of Pai Gow where you don't see one dealer card, the odds of the dealer beating you are much worse -- an astronomical 1 in 45,379,620.
If you play Pai Gow for long enough, you will eventually get beaten this way. But you would have to play for an extremely long time.
In Omaha hi-only, A♠A♥2♥2♠ is a huge favorite (EV of 0.879) over 3♠3♦3♥2♣. Out of the 1,086,008 possible boards, the two hands tie on just 900 (0.08%) of them. What boards do they tie on?











